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Are you a fan of Saul Alinsky and his followers?

Posted - July 8, 2016

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  • 3934

    Having learned something about what Alinksy ACTUALLY DID in his life, I am nominally a fan.

    But, of course, as your picture indicates, invoking Alinsky's name is just Vast Right-Wing Echo Chamber dog whistle for "TEH STOOPID EBIL LIBRUHLZ! BE AFRAID!", much as the sneer "Community Organizer" (or, frequently, "Community Agitator") is used against the Nig...er, Nazi Kenyan Marxist Socialist Indonesian Communist Terrorist Muslim in the White House.

    It has very little to do with who the man actually was and what he actually did.

      July 8, 2016 10:51 AM MDT
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  • 46117

    I think you are trying to imply that current leaders studied him to follow this list as an example of what to do to gain control.

    That is twisted logic at best.   This was a visionary stating what he observed and what to look out for. 

    It is what the result is right now, YES. But Hillary is not setting out to take advantage of exploiting the world.

    TRUMP is the perfect head of this idiotic example but being an idiot, he has no idea that he IS an idiot.

      July 8, 2016 11:01 AM MDT
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  • 98

    Your reply is twisted logic IMO.

      July 8, 2016 12:09 PM MDT
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  • 98

    Have you ever read his book Rules for Radicals? If not, perhaps you should. That is something he ACTUALLY DID in his life!

      July 8, 2016 12:10 PM MDT
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  • 1002

    I do not subscribe to his thinking, but I can appreciate the fact that he fully-disclosed his true thinking for the world to see. There is something to be said for those who put all their cards on the table like that...

      July 8, 2016 12:11 PM MDT
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  • 98

      July 8, 2016 1:31 PM MDT
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  • No I don't support him... it's basically a how to guide to keep people in oppression. However one blogger wrote how to use Saul Alinsky's book Rules for Radicals against liberals not like that counts but it's still entertaining :D

    http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/04/13/12_ways_to_use_saul_alinskys_rules_for_radicals_against_liberals

      July 8, 2016 6:09 PM MDT
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  • 380
    No I am not, but I'm sure the loony left is. They want and need people to be poor, so they can push their big government agenda.
      July 8, 2016 6:27 PM MDT
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  •   July 8, 2016 7:17 PM MDT
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  • 98

      July 8, 2016 8:43 PM MDT
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      July 8, 2016 8:43 PM MDT
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  • 3934

    @Drue -- Have you? Or have you only read what Right-Wing f***tards on the Internet SAY Alinsky rules are?

    Here's the list from Wikipedia:

    1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
    2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
    3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
    4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
    5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
    6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
    7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
    8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
    9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
    10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
    11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
    12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
    13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

    And, yes, Alinksy applied these rules in his own life to organize (almost entirely poor/urban/ethnic) communities to improve living conditions, gain access to voting, demand better treatment from employers, and so forth.

    Of course, Right Wing Authoritarian f***tards don't want Nig...er, THOSE PEOPLE to have political power. That's the province of the Rich, Corporate, and White. So, of course, Alinksy must be demonized because his methods have proven to be effective.

    And, in sweet irony, Alinsky himself recognizes who the opposition is and lays out their thinking quite clearly:

    Seeking some meaning in life, they turn to an extreme chauvinism and
    become defenders of the "American" faith. Now they even develop
    rationalizations for a life of futility and frustration. "It's the Red menace!"
    Now they are not only the most vociferous in their espousal of law and
    order but ripe victims for such as demagogic George Wallace, the John
    Birch Society, and the Red-menace perennials. Insecure in this fast-changing world,

    they cling to illusory fixed points—which are very real to them. Even conversation is

    charted toward fixing your position in the world: "I don't want to argue
    with you, just tell me what our flag means to you?" or "What do you think of those college punks who never worked a day in their lives?" They use revealing adjectives such as
    "outside agitators" or "troublemakers" and other "When did you last beat
    your wife?" questions.

    (Rules for Radicals, p. 189)

    As you can see, what you provided that's allegedly from Alinsky has f*** all to do with who Alinsky actually was and what he actually did in his life.

      July 8, 2016 8:52 PM MDT
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  • 3934

    Oh, sure. There's nothing unique to Rules for Radicals that can only be applied by poor/urban/ethnic/nominally liberal people.

    Ultimately, Rules for Radicals is about recognizing how political power works, and how to use resources to make political power work for one's own goals.

    Of course, the Rich and Corporate don't bother with that. Instead, they buy their own politicians, think tanks, and propaganda networks. But far fewer people know about the Powell Memorandum than Saul Alinsky.

    http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/

      July 8, 2016 8:57 PM MDT
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  • 3934

    Once again, someone shouts "TEH STOOPID EBIL LIBRUHLZ IS STOOPID...AND EBIL!"...and the Usual Suspects all line up to cheer. It is laughably predicatable.

      July 8, 2016 9:23 PM MDT
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  • Old School... oh please like there's no liberal forums full of:

    all up in the comment sections.

      July 8, 2016 9:39 PM MDT
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  • Anyone accepting this nonsense as actual Alinsky statements, should read this.

    http://therealtruthproject.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/myths-about-saul-alinsky-and-obama.html

    I'm afraid to say that the content you have presented is a terminological inexactitude.

      July 9, 2016 5:23 AM MDT
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  • 22891

    no, i dont even know who he is

      July 9, 2016 7:28 PM MDT
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