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Have you seen what dangerous religious extremist have been caught doing in Russia?

How many years of training did it take the FSB (KGB) to prepare for what they would find in dealing with dangerous extremist?


https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/officials-honor-jehovahs-witnesses-outstanding-community-service/

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Jehovah's Witnesses in Oryol (Russia) received commendation from authorities for clean-up campaign. Among them - Dennis Christensen, was subsequently jailed for faith

Jehovah's Witnesses in Oryol (Russia) received commendation from authorities for clean-up campaign. Among them - Dennis Christensen, was subsequently jailed for faith



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Posted - July 18, 2017

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  • 46117
    If JW's are banned, what do they do with Scientologists and Westboro Baptists in Russia?  Burn them at the stake?

      July 18, 2017 7:36 AM MDT
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  • 2657
    Maybe?
      July 18, 2017 1:50 PM MDT
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  • 22891
    no, i didnt see it
      July 18, 2017 1:38 PM MDT
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  • 2657
    Jehovah's Witnesses like the ones in the first few photos have just been encouraging Bible reading with their neighbors and other upbuilding things like cleaning up trash. They are considered to be extremist in Russia.
      July 18, 2017 1:47 PM MDT
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  • 492
    I'd like to see Jehovah's Witnesses do some outstanding community service in my area. Seems they only serve their own community, within their borders..
      July 19, 2017 4:59 AM MDT
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  • 2657
    You wouldn't have heard of their community service there if three things had not have happened, (1) the news took note of the community service in which Dennis Christensen was involved in and (2) Dennis Christensen has been and still is detained for religious extremism and (3) I posted it on answermug where you and I just so happen to both be members of.

    jw.org doesn't post EVERYTHING JW's do for their communities like all of the aid and rebuilding work done for areas affected by hurricanes and other disasters.
      July 19, 2017 6:07 AM MDT
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  • 492
    The term "dangerous religious extremist" would be realistic if the dangerous religious extremists were ISIS. There are no dangerous religious extremist in Russia. The danger comes when people execrate terms to glorify themselves, looking for pity.
      July 19, 2017 5:07 AM MDT
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  • 2657
    Thank you for your non-loving comment and your non-non-concern.
      July 19, 2017 5:59 AM MDT
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  • 492
    My concern here is how you over react using terminology. Dangerous religious extremists.
    Lions tigers and bears.

    The mention of extremism builds up images of ideologically motivated shootings, beheadings, and bombings, along with destructive governmental policies.Choose your words wisely and you will get loving comments relevant to your concerns.


      July 19, 2017 7:53 PM MDT
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  • 2657
    Mu concern is that is exactly what my brothers are being accused of: extremism.
      July 20, 2017 12:50 AM MDT
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  • 492
    So, tell me more about your brothers shot, beheaded, and bombed by those mean, radical, evil, "dangerous religious extremists".
      July 20, 2017 4:54 AM MDT
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  • 2657
    Not sure what you are saying? You know that the JW's are the one accused of being religious extremist, right? 
      July 20, 2017 9:44 AM MDT
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  • 492
    Ok, I had it backwards for some reason. 
    JW's as dangerous religious extremist ? Not.
    Omit the word dangerous and they are typically safe religious extremists.
      July 20, 2017 4:46 PM MDT
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  • 2657
    Christians in the first century were pretty much about as extreme as JW's are today. Sorry for not giving a synopsys or giving any particular order to the following verses that came to mind. 

    (Acts 4:18, 19) With that they called them and ordered them not to say anything at all or to teach on the basis of the name of Jesus. 19 But in reply Peter and John said to them: “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, judge for yourselves.
    (Acts 4:29) And now, Jehovah, give attention to their threats, and grant to your slaves to keep speaking your word with all boldness,
    (Acts 5:38-42) So under the present circumstances, I say to you, do not meddle with these men, but let them alone. For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; 39 but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself.” 40 At this they took his advice, and they summoned the apostles, flogged them, and ordered them to stop speaking on the basis of Jesus’ name, and let them go. 41 So they went out from before the Sanʹhe·drin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy to be dishonored in behalf of his name. 42 And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.

    (Acts 24:12-14) and they found me neither arguing with anyone in the temple nor stirring up a mob, either in the synagogues or throughout the city. 13 Nor can they prove to you the things they are accusing me of right now. 14 But I do admit this to you, that according to the way that they call a sect, in this manner I am rendering sacred service to the God of my forefathers, as I believe all the things set forth in the Law and written in the Prophets.
    (Acts 28:22) But we think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect, we know that it is spoken against everywhere.”
    (Matthew 5:11) “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake.
    (Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.
    (Luke 21:12, 13) “But before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you, handing you over to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name. 13 It will result in your giving a witness.
    (2 Timothy 3:12) In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.
    (John 15:21) But they will do all these things against you on account of my name, because they do not know the One who sent me.
    (Revelation 2:10) Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life.
      July 20, 2017 6:09 PM MDT
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  • 591
    Perhaps if they had spent more time cleaning up the jw organisation and less time cleaning the streets then perhaps they would not be in this sorry state.
      July 21, 2017 8:31 PM MDT
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  • 1326
    The most recent news about russia is how they continue to persecute the witnesses for continuing to practice their bible based beliefs. Russia is living up to its reputation of what a corrupt nation they truly are.
      May 5, 2018 12:34 AM MDT
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  • 2657
    Yes, lost another appeal to another kangaroo court. Russian Orthodox representing the Harlot influencing that part of the beast. (Rev 17-18)
    (Of course, you knew the scriptures without me citing them.)
      May 5, 2018 6:57 PM MDT
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  • 7280
    And ironically, as corrupt as they are, we may find that even as they fail in charity, good may yet come of this. 
      May 5, 2018 8:03 PM MDT
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  • 2657
    Like when other countries with the support of the clergy attacked Christians and Jehovah took care of them and exonerated them in due time?

    (Luke 21:10-13) Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs. 12 “But before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you, handing you over to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name. 13 It will result in your giving a witness.
    (Revelation 2:10, 11) Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations: The one who conquers will by no means be harmed by the second death.’
    (Revelation 13:9, 10) If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.

    [...
    Success Against Overwhelming Odds
    What Jehovah’s Witnesses have faced in some lands are not merely prohibitions imposed on their public ministry but efforts to stamp them out completely.
    During World War I, a concerted effort was made by the clergy in the United States and Canada to put an end to the work of the Bible Students, as Jehovah’s Witnesses were then known. This is a matter of public record. In spite of legal guarantees of freedom of speech and of religion, the clergy pressured government officials to ban literature of the Bible Students. Many were arrested and held without bail; others were viciously beaten. Officials of the Watch Tower Society and their close associates were given long prison terms in court proceedings that were later shown to be invalid. Said Ray Abrams in his book Preachers Present Arms: “An analysis of the whole case leads to the conclusion that the churches and the clergy were originally behind the movement to stamp out the Russellites,” as the clergy disparagingly called the Bible Students. But following the war, those Bible Students emerged with greater vigor than ever to advertise Jehovah’s King, Jesus Christ, and his Kingdom. From where did that renewed vigor come? The Bible had foretold such an occurrence and had said that it would be as a result of “spirit of life from God.”—Rev. 11:7-11.
    Following the rise of the Nazis to power in Germany, persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses intensified in lands that came under Nazi control. There were arrests and brutal treatment. Bans were imposed. Finally, in October 1934, congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses throughout Germany sent registered letters to the government stating clearly that they had no political objectives but that they were determined to obey God as ruler. At the same time, congregations of Witnesses worldwide sent cablegrams in support of their Christian brothers in Germany.
    On that same day, October 7, 1934, in the office of Dr. Wilhelm Frick, in Berlin, Adolf Hitler with clenched fists declared regarding Jehovah’s Witnesses: “This brood will be exterminated in Germany!” It was no idle threat. Widespread arrests occurred. According to a confidential notification of the Prussian Secret State Police dated June 24, 1936, a “special Gestapo Command” was formed to fight against the Witnesses. After extensive preparation the Gestapo launched their campaign to capture all of Jehovah’s Witnesses and everyone suspected of being a Witness. During that offensive the entire police net was involved, leaving criminal elements unmolested.
    Reports indicate that eventually some 6,262 German Witnesses were arrested. Karl Wittig, a former German government officer who was himself detained in several concentration camps, later wrote: “No other group of prisoners . . . was exposed to the sadism of the SS-soldiery in such a fashion as the Bible Students were. It was a sadism marked by an unending chain of physical and mental tortures, the likes of which no language in the world can express.”
    What was the result? In a book published in 1982, Christine King concludes: “Only against the Witnesses [in contrast to other religious groups] was the government unsuccessful.” Hitler had vowed to exterminate them, and hundreds were killed. Nevertheless, Dr. King notes: “The work [of preaching about God’s Kingdom] went on and in May 1945 the Jehovah’s Witness movement was still alive, whilst National Socialism was not.” She also points out: “No compromises had been made.” (The Nazi State and the New Religions: Five Case Studies in Non-Conformity) Why was Hitler, with his well-equipped army, highly trained police, and numerous extermination camps, unable to carry out his threat to destroy this relatively small and unarmed group of what the world views as ordinary people? Why have other nations been unable to put a stop to their activity? Why is it that, not merely a few isolated individuals, but Jehovah’s Witnesses as a whole have remained firm in the face of brutal persecution?
    The answer lies in some wise advice given by Gamaliel, a Law teacher, to fellow members of the Jewish Sanhedrin when they were dealing with a similar case involving the apostles of Jesus Christ. He said: “Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone; (because, if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them;) otherwise, you may perhaps be found fighters actually against God.”—Acts 5:38, 39.
    Thus the historical facts show that the seemingly impossible task assigned by Jesus to his followers to perform in the face of apparently overwhelming odds is being accomplished not by human power but by God’s spirit. As Jesus himself said in prayer to God: “Father, all things are possible to you.”—Mark 14:36.]
      May 6, 2018 4:55 AM MDT
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