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Asinine, sarcastic, and condescending, or just libertarian?

Sometimes it's hard to tell. Especially with these anarchist types.

Posted - August 30, 2016

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  • Hey wait a minute..Not all anarchists are bad.

    But Libertarians? Jeeze..the US libertarians don't have a clue which side of the fence they are on, don't have rational answers to questions about their ideology or even follow their own platform.  They are nothing more than advocates for Corporate tyranny.

      August 30, 2016 11:42 AM MDT
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  • 46117

    Last word seems to equal first word.

      August 30, 2016 11:44 AM MDT
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  • 1113

    Anarchists are probably OK people, I suppose, but they must be dreaming to think that having no system is a reasonable approach. You only have to look at every country whose government is weak, corrupt, in a state of upheaval or collapse, to see the effect on the people. It just seems crazy to me. It's like they take for granted certain things, like some kind of infrastructure, a legal system, etc, which is provided by a centralized government, and then say they want the government to go away? I just can't make any sense of it.

    Libertarians seem to think that everyone being completely self sufficient is the best approach, and if you're not, well that's just too bad. Seems to me that some people are cut out for that life, and some aren't, but just because they aren't, doesn't make them "parasites". Ughh. 

      August 30, 2016 11:59 AM MDT
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  • 1113

    It does seem that way, right?

      August 30, 2016 11:59 AM MDT
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  • Bez

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    Asanine? What word is that?

      August 30, 2016 12:07 PM MDT
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  • 1113

    GFY

      August 30, 2016 12:35 PM MDT
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  • If your speaking of pure Anrchy, then yes...it's a utopic fantasy that could never work

    Libertarian Socialists are considered Anarchists.  Libertarian socialists combine social equality and workers' rights.  We reject nationalism and believe in defining domestic policy from a global human rights perspective.

    It's purest form of democracy because all decisions are made through a popular vote.

    Just as you said...Libertarians think that society should be every man for himself, except the rule deosn;t apply to corporations which would be free from rules and regulations imposed by the government and it's agencies...That will end up with corporations running wild.  That's not freedom. We would just be trading Government intervention in our lives with Corporate intervention

      August 30, 2016 12:57 PM MDT
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  • 1113

    Apparently I am a glutton for punishment, WW. ;-)

      August 30, 2016 1:30 PM MDT
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  • 386
      August 30, 2016 1:42 PM MDT
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  • 1113

    Andy B needs to get a new hobby; he thinks he's Randy D or something.

      August 30, 2016 1:53 PM MDT
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  • 2515
    1. Three words are adjectives.
    2. Last word is a noun.
    3. There are many kinds of libertarians.
    4. In the US, they are conservative on economic issues and liberal on personal freedom. On foreign policy, they like non-intervention.
    5. Some libertarians are all 4 words, but not all.

    These are:
    1. Glenn Beck
    2. Alex Jones
    3. Rupert Murdoch
    4. Bill Maher

    These are famous, but not known for satire:
    1. Clint Eastwood
    2. The Koch Brothers.
    3. Rand Paul
    4. Thomas Sowell
    5. Peter Thiel
    6. Julian Assange
      August 30, 2016 2:07 PM MDT
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  • 1113

      August 30, 2016 3:19 PM MDT
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  • 503

    Here's the latest from the political Bizarros........ Something called "Anarcho-libertarians" !  You can't make up shit like this...LMFAO !

      August 30, 2016 3:24 PM MDT
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  • oooooooooooo...Pushishment?! We'll chat latter 

      August 30, 2016 3:39 PM MDT
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  • Let the completely unhindered free market answer this one.

      August 30, 2016 3:41 PM MDT
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  • 1113

    Yeah, I could not find much info on that one. Apparently it stands for doing whatever you like, and thinking the government is evil, and oh yeah, being insufferably smug.

      August 30, 2016 3:57 PM MDT
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  • 1113

    If a completely unhindered free market implodes due to lack of regulation, and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?

      August 30, 2016 3:59 PM MDT
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  •   August 30, 2016 4:07 PM MDT
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  • 503

      August 30, 2016 4:12 PM MDT
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  • Bez

    2148

    I do not think I am Randy D or anyone else. I have always been like this for many years before I knew Randy D even existed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with correcting incorrect spelling or grammar and the majority of British people do it to some degree. We just don't like to see the English language being trashed. What is wrong with being like that? It doesn't mean I need a new hobby, it simply means I am being normal.

      August 30, 2016 4:19 PM MDT
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  • 3191

    There is a wide variety of beliefs that are associated with both the libertarian and anarchists labels, just as there are under any other political labels. Cannot say as I have ever run across a true anarchist, and self-proclaimed libertarians range from those with socialist tendencies, to those that are basically Republicans in rebellion from their party, to those who could more accurately be dubbed voluntaryists. There is also a distinction to be made between "L"ibertarians, who embrace a party platform, and those of a "l"ibertarian bent.

      August 30, 2016 4:35 PM MDT
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  • Like liberalism and conservatism there isn't one "type" of libertarian. I'm not sure it's just libertarians that are sarcastic as you properly demonstrated just now :)

    I could say that liberals are naive.

    "Libertarianism includes a broad spectrum of political philosophies, each sharing the common overall priority of minimal government combined with optimum possible individual liberty. Its goals prioritize freedom: freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to bear arms, freedom of and from religion, freedom of the Press, freedom of ownership and economic freedom. It promotes personal responsibility and private charity, as opposed to the provision of welfare services by the state, and it rejects the compulsions of Socialism and Communism.

    Individual Libertarians may differ considerably over particular issues and, although there are Libertarian political parties worldwide, even these differ significantly in their outlooks and policies. There is also a significant disparity between the usage of the term in the United States (where it is often considered synonymous with Liberalism and Individualism in general, and Conservatism in particular, especially insofar as it supports limited government) and elsewhere (where it is more often understood to refer to radical leftist currents of Anarchism)."

    OH NOES limited government I mean my God who would want that? Bigger government should mean that the more bigger it is the more ethical it will be and the more they can take care of us. Duh! Like that's ever worked out before. Liberty, freedom of speech (I don't want anyone to have freedom of speeches what if they hurt mah feelings?) freedom of press, freedom of religion. What terrible people! And to think they can be both LEFT and RIGHT.

    The only thing that makes a difference as far as I am concerned is that the further left or further right you lean is where it makes a difference but that is also the same for liberals or conservatives.

    Here is the types of libertarians but keep in mind we are human beings and like you probably differ slightly on issues:

    • Rights Libertarianism (or Rights Theory or Libertarian Moralism or Deontological Libertarianism):
      Rights Theorists assert: 1) that: all persons are the absolute owners of their lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their own bodies or property, provided they do not infringe on the rights of another to do the same (the Law of Equal Liberty); and 2) that aggression, or the initiation of physical force or the threat of such, against a person or his property, is inherently illegitimate insofar as it impinges on on the equal rights of a person (the Non-Aggression Principle), except in the case of self-defence. This view of "natural rights" derives from the early writings of Thomas Hobbes and John Locke.
      Most Rights Libertarians recognize the necessity of a limited role of government as a "necessary evil" to protect individuals from any violation of their rights, and to prosecute those who initiate force against others (Minarchism), although some oppose the existence of government and taxation altogether on the grounds that it represents aggression against individual rights by its very nature (Anarcho-Capitalism).
      Robert Nozick (1938 -2002) and Murray Rothbard (1926 - 1995) are representatives of this view of Libertarianism.

    • Consequentialist Libertarianism (or Libertarian Consequentialism)
      Consequentialist Libertarians justify the rights of individuals on pragmatic or consequentialist, as well as moral, grounds (Consequentialism is the moral theory that the consequences of a particular action form the basis for any valid moral judgment about that action). They are less concerned with the Non-Aggression Principle and more concerned with the notion of a society that allows individuals to enjoy political and economic liberty, which they see as the foundation for human happiness and prosperity. They argue that individual liberty leads to economic efficiency and other benefits, and is thus the most effective means of promoting or enhancing social welfare.
      Milton Friedman (1912 - 2006), Ludwig von Mises (1881 - 1973), and Friedrich Hayek (1899 - 1992) are major proponents of this view.

    Another split is between left-wing and right-wing Libertarianism:

    • Left-Libertarianism (or Geolibertarianism):
      Left-Libertarianism combines a strong commitment to personal liberty with an egalitarian view concerning natural resources, believing that it is not legitimate for someone to claim private ownership of resources to the detriment of others, and that each individual is entitled to an equal share of natural resources. Many Left-Libertarians advocate strong alliances with the Left on issues such as the anti-war movement and labour unions, and some wish to revive voluntary cooperative ideas such as mutualism.
      • Agorism is an extreme form of Anarcho-Capitalism and Libertarianism, developed by Samuel Edward Konkin III (1947 - 2004) and building on the ideas of Murray Rothbard (1926 - 1995), which takes as its ultimate goal a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges, a completely free market in an underground or "counter economy" in which the State is redundant (Anarchism). Agorists consider themselves Left-Libertarians, although there is contention over that.
    • Right-Libertarianism (or Libertarian Conservatism):
      Right-Libertarianism is synthesis of Libertarianism and right-wing conservatism, and stresses limited government and strong Capitalism. It differs from some Christian-influenced conservativism in that it generally favours the separation of church and state. It is sometimes split into four main branches:
      • Classical or Traditional Libertarianism, whose main goals are the shrinking of the power of government and the promotion of free markets, and generally believes that social liberalism and anti-militarism promote economically conservative goals.
      • Neolibertarianism, which, in opposition to Classical Libertarianism, supports an interventionist foreign policy and militarism to expand democracy.
      • Paleolibertarianism, a more culturally conservative and ardently Christian view than Classical Libertarianism, usually involving views against abortion and for the complete privatization of education.
      • Small Government Conservatism, a socially conservative outlook which generally considers any necessary government enforcement the responsibility of state governments, not the federal government.

    http://www.philosophybasics.com/branch_libertarianism.html

      August 30, 2016 4:36 PM MDT
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  • 3191

      August 30, 2016 4:40 PM MDT
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  • 1113

    It's annoying.

      August 30, 2016 4:43 PM MDT
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